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Sunday 24th June - U1195 (30m) + Luis (17m)

NOW FULL

Got 0 Spaces on Trojan based at Haslar Marina Gosport and we
will be diving the WW2 submarine the U1195 + The 5000 ton Luis as a
second.

Really good tide on this one, with loads of slack and a civilised meet at
Haslar at 9.15am for a 10.15 depart.

After sinking the massive liner the Cuba in April 1945, the U1195 was sunk
by hedgehog depth charges from the British destroyer HMS Watchman.


Max depth is 30m and cost for the day which will include that second
is £40.

Gonna be good :teeth:

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2 Chris R
3 Dave Cl
4 Martin
5 MichelleR
6 Sally
7 Danny
8 Mattbinn
9 Ratcliffe
10 Rich S
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12 Pete 2
 

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Terry
is this the sub with a big hole in it where the conning tower is off to one side, German war grave? Sadly I'm diving Saturday so I cant make it, but if its the sub I think, it was a cracking dive, one of my favourites.

Matt
 

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Terry
is this the sub with a big hole in it where the conning tower is off to one side, German war grave? Sadly I'm diving Saturday so I cant make it, but if its the sub I think, it was a cracking dive, one of my favourites.

Matt
Yep that's the one.

Big hole is where the hedgehog mine hit. Stern is worth a look too, with
stern tube, prop and stern planes.

Tis a very good dive and it's Sunday, do two days :)
 

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Tempted, very very tempted.

I'll mail my buddy and see if he's free. I might just get a 2 day pass as its Fathers day this week and I'm not diving. Of course at least one day (if not both) will be blown out anyway :)

I'll get back to you, I have a feeling negotiations with the pass isuuing authority could be 'tricky'

Matt
 

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U1195

Have dived her several times,nice dive :) U1195 was also responsable for the sinking of the James Egan Layne on the 21st March 1945.

U1195
Type...V11C/41
Commissioned... 4th November 1943
Date of loss... 6th April 1945
Casualties...31
Survivors...2 officers,5 senior ratings,11 junior rates
Cause of loss...Hedgehog,British designed weapon fitted in British and US escorts.The weapon fired ahead of the ship and thus asdic contact was not lost as in a depth charge attack when the attacking ship had to pass over the target before dropping the charges.Hedgehog bombs where fitted with contact fuses,an explosion meant a hit,inturn results were easy to assess,unlike depth charges that were equiped with pressure fuses that detonated at a predetermined depth.
 

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Have dived her several times,nice dive :) U1195 was also responsable for the sinking of the James Egan Layne on the 21st March 1945.

U1195
Type...V11C/41
Commissioned... 4th November 1943
Date of loss... 6th April 1945
Casualties...31
Survivors...2 officers,5 senior ratings,11 junior rates
Cause of loss...Hedgehog,British designed weapon fitted in British and US escorts.The weapon fired ahead of the ship and thus asdic contact was not lost as in a depth charge attack when the attacking ship had to pass over the target before dropping the charges.Hedgehog bombs where fitted with contact fuses,an explosion meant a hit,inturn results were easy to assess,unlike depth charges that were equiped with pressure fuses that detonated at a predetermined depth.
Didnt know that.

Thought they were just multiple mortar type mini-versions of a depth
charge. Mind you when you see the damage amidships, it must have been
a direct hit. Viz isnt too bad and getting better, so I'll take some pics.

T.
 

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Just a reminder everybody to check back with me tommorrow night
after 7.30pm. Will try and get through to everybody to confirm, but
if I havnt you try.

Final decision to go or not will be made after the latest forecast.

T.
 

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Hi Guys,

Here is something to bear in mind when you dive U 1195, because the submarine is their last resting place:

Barthold, Kurt Matr.Ob.Gfr. (Born 13.9.1924)
Beermann, Horst Matr.Ob.Gfr. (9.2.1924)
Brockel, Manfred Ft.Ob.Gft. (20.4.1923)
Cordes, Ernst Kplt.z.S. (26.6.1913)
Derkom, Erwin Ob.Masch. (28.3.1919)
Dorner, Roland Bts.Mt. (25.6.1922)
Dunkmann, Rudolf Mech.Ob.Gfr. (18.11.1923)
Etschel, Alfred Masch.Ob.Gfr (30.11.1923)
Fledler, Masch.Ob.Gfr.
Franke, Heinrich Matr.Ob.Gft. (23.3.1925)
Fulda, Eberhard Oblt.z.S. (2.6.1923)
Gaisser, Willi Masch.Ob.Gfr. (18.3.1923)
Gebhardt, Hermann Masch.Mt. (3.9.1920)
Günther, Karl.Heinz Matr.Ob.Gfr. (24.7.1922)
Happ, Emil Mech.Ob.Gfr. (8.1.1924)
Heblik, Aribert Mech.Ob.Mt. (21.10.1919)
Hoffmann, Donatus Masch.Ob.Gfr. (9.8.1922)
Jurek, Walter Masch.Ob.Gfr. (4.1.1926)
Knipp, Frierich Ob.Strm. (23.12.1919)
Lämmle, Helmut Fk.Ob.Gfr. (4.1.1925)
Mayer.Claas, Eberhard Oblt.z. S. (11.1.1921)
Nogay, Josef Matr.Ob.Gfr. (29.12.1923)
Paar, Richard Fk.Ob.Mt. (30.11.1922)
Preußer, Otto Matr.Hpt.Gfr. (12.4.1923)
Schröder, Otto Masch.Hpt.Gfr. (5.10.1922)
Schröder, Walter San.Mt. (20.4.1921)
Schwandt, Gerhard Masch.Mt. (5.6.1920)
Schwed, Konrad Matr.Hpt.Gfr. (21.11.1923)
Sladek, Gerhard Matr.Gfr. (17.7.1926)
Waskewitz, Günter Matr.Ob.Gfr. (11.20.1920)
Wösten, Wilhelm Matr.Ob.Gfr. (15.1.1922)

Cheers Ron
 

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Hi Guys,

Here is something to bear in mind when you dive U 1195, because the submarine is their last resting place:

Barthold, Kurt Matr.Ob.Gfr. (Born 13.9.1924)
Beermann, Horst Matr.Ob.Gfr. (9.2.1924)
Brockel, Manfred Ft.Ob.Gft. (20.4.1923)
Cordes, Ernst Kplt.z.S. (26.6.1913)
Derkom, Erwin Ob.Masch. (28.3.1919)
Dorner, Roland Bts.Mt. (25.6.1922)
Dunkmann, Rudolf Mech.Ob.Gfr. (18.11.1923)
Etschel, Alfred Masch.Ob.Gfr (30.11.1923)
Fledler, Masch.Ob.Gfr.
Franke, Heinrich Matr.Ob.Gft. (23.3.1925)
Fulda, Eberhard Oblt.z.S. (2.6.1923)
Gaisser, Willi Masch.Ob.Gfr. (18.3.1923)
Gebhardt, Hermann Masch.Mt. (3.9.1920)
Günther, Karl.Heinz Matr.Ob.Gfr. (24.7.1922)
Happ, Emil Mech.Ob.Gfr. (8.1.1924)
Heblik, Aribert Mech.Ob.Mt. (21.10.1919)
Hoffmann, Donatus Masch.Ob.Gfr. (9.8.1922)
Jurek, Walter Masch.Ob.Gfr. (4.1.1926)
Knipp, Frierich Ob.Strm. (23.12.1919)
Lämmle, Helmut Fk.Ob.Gfr. (4.1.1925)
Mayer.Claas, Eberhard Oblt.z. S. (11.1.1921)
Nogay, Josef Matr.Ob.Gfr. (29.12.1923)
Paar, Richard Fk.Ob.Mt. (30.11.1922)
Preußer, Otto Matr.Hpt.Gfr. (12.4.1923)
Schröder, Otto Masch.Hpt.Gfr. (5.10.1922)
Schröder, Walter San.Mt. (20.4.1921)
Schwandt, Gerhard Masch.Mt. (5.6.1920)
Schwed, Konrad Matr.Hpt.Gfr. (21.11.1923)
Sladek, Gerhard Matr.Gfr. (17.7.1926)
Waskewitz, Günter Matr.Ob.Gfr. (11.20.1920)
Wösten, Wilhelm Matr.Ob.Gfr. (15.1.1922)

Cheers Ron
Absolutely no worries Ron.

SUCS is a wreck respect club and any divers on our boats pay proper
respect, it is a war grave and will be treated as such. We are fully aware
of the tragedy of the U1195 (not forgetting the Cuba), made even more
so considering the war was already lost. The really sad thing is the ages
with nearly all in there very early 20's.

This trip is part of Projek Das Boote, mapping the current condition of the
East IOW subs and adding to an archive being created at Solent University.
Once collated, all information is also being forwarded to the NAS.

Rgds
TerryH
 

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In December 2004, Rudolph Wieser (Matr.Ob.Gfr), who is now 83yrs old, gave me the following account of the attack for 'Silent Warriors' and as far as I know, Rudi is the last survivor of U 1195:

“U1195 was dived when we were hit by HMS Watchman’s hedgehogs and the crew was catapulted out of their bunks; the boat went down and hit the bottom. The depth gauge showed 38 meters. Heller and I tried to close a hole in the front torpedo room, but to no avail and the water rushed in. I gathered all Tauchretter escape sets and left the bow torpedo chamber. I tried to close the bulkhead behind me, but could no more. Lt Cdr Cordes gave order to leave the front of the ship. The radio operators destroyed all secret equipment and documents. The crew now huddled together in the control room. The LI tried to surface the boat with air pressure, but it didn’t work. The CO now ordered the crew to prepare to escape via the control room hatch. A second group gathered around Lt Schick in the galley and a third in the electrical engine room under PO Derkorn.
All men except me had escape sets. I had given mine to the Medical orderly, Clement. In the meantime the conning tower hatch was opened and the outboard valves opened to flood the chamber. The chamber was plunged into darkness and in order to find our way to the hatch, a cable was attached. I sat on the chart table and waited for the hatch to open, dived and went back to the chart table, when all of a sudden I felt sick from the chlorine gas that was escaping and said to my comrades ‘I’m getting out’. Fireman Heller heard that and also swam to the hatch and swam to the surface. When we arrived at the surface we found 9 comrades from the central and among them was the chief engineer. We were eventually rescued and very unfairly treated by the crew of the French ship, L‘Escaramouche and later transferred to HMS Hoste (Lt. P.J.H. Hoare). From the galley, 5 men surfaced and from the aft hatch only 2 survived. On the British ships we were treated very well and got back to Germany 1947”

Kindly translated by Juergen Meyer-Brenkhof (Fregattenkapitän D)

Cheers Ron
 

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The hedgehog damage is quite considerable, with a gaping hole just
forward of the control room. Bearing in mind that this boat has deterioated
further over the last 60 years, such damage couldnt have been anything
other than terminal.

She now lies with a list to starboard of just shy of 45 degrees, sat on a
sand and shingle plateau of 30m.

T
 
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