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Good weather and about time, is it in good nick and just like the scan says, am up there weather permitting in a couple of weeks so all info is interesting, depth only 70m as well which is shallower than expected.
How was it definately identified?

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85m would be more like it, well according to the charts anyway, maybe Andy will say, saves a bit of work when u know the correct depth as they say.

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Just got done talking to Kevin. The dive did produce significant information that only further strengthens the already very strong case that the wreck in question is U 102.

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Hello to you all. I came to this site through Kevin. Now that you have dived to SM U 102, I think it's time to out me. I am a relative of one of the victims resting in peace there. My name is Matthias Löhr. I live in Berlin and work for the Foreign Ministry. At first a great thank to the divers who went down. My question is, in which condition is the wreck? Who big is the damage on the stern? And was the damage really produced by a mine of the so called Northern Barrage?
But at first, here is my story: Since 2003 I am interested in the destiny of my great great uncle Alfred Gerke, who was U-Boat-Man in the Great War. Through internet I came to the Forum Imperial Navy. It was told, that he died in September 1918 while on board of U 102. The boat is missed since then somewhere in the Nort Sea. The boat possibly sank by mine hit of the Northern Barrage. Through the years I found out with the help of friends with the same interest that he served not only on U 102. He entered the Navy October 1 , 1913. In autumn 1914 or in early 1915 he was on the famous U 9, then on UC 15 and before U 102, he served on UB 50. In the u-boat archive Cuxhaven I found one photo showing him on board of U 9. One day I bought an old crew photo via Ebay. When I had it in my hands I could recognize him and then identify the crew as that of UB 50. In november 2006 I received a mail from Michael Lowrey writing me, that the MCA had presumably found the wreck of U 102 (and U 92). So I mailed what I had of both boats (construction plans, photos as well as technical dates). The plans could be put together with the sonar photos and there was absolute conformity. The construction row was small (U99-U105) of which only U 102 was missed. Now, after diving to it, your special and really invaluable work, you can put an end to the incertainty of the wreck.
After nearly 90 years one of the last secret of the submarine warfare is short before being disclosed. I want to add that I have contact to the family of Kapitänleutnant Curt Beitzen, the commander of the boat. They are kept informed by me about proceedings of the works. One last coincidence: I found a crew photo of them, unknown until now, at Ebay. The seller came from Berlin and so I got it, also because of my story. It was taken just before the last departure at Helgoland harbour.
So, now you know my story and my special interest in this matter. I intend to come to the Orkneys, but do not know, when. But I am not a diver.
Best regards from Berlin, Matthias
 

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by the fact that it is where it is meant to be and it has a rare 88/45 stern gun all adds to the facts one thing for sure its NOT Bremen


Have you seen the overlay of the plan of the U Boat on Andys website. I have tried every class of uboat over the image and the only one that fits is the U99 -104 class. If you look at the details from the MCA survey you will get the length of the 2 U boats. Only 3 U boats are known to be lost in Area B and only 2 of these match the survey dimensions U 102 and U 92, the other being the smaller UB 127. If you have any other ideas as to which U Boats they may be please throw them into the discusion as that is what these forums are for.
 

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All i was asking was if this was 92 or 102, I agree it is one of the mittel U class that was lost up here, I just wondered if it was definately 102 and not 92
 

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Hello to you all. I came to this site through Kevin. Now that you have dived to SM U 102, I think it's time to out me. I am a relative of one of the victims resting in peace there. My name is Matthias Löhr. I live in Berlin and work for the Foreign Ministry. At first a great thank to the divers who went down. My question is, in which condition is the wreck? Who big is the damage on the stern? And was the damage really produced by a mine of the so called Northern Barrage?
But at first, here is my story: Since 2003 I am interested in the destiny of my great great uncle Alfred Gerke, who was U-Boat-Man in the Great War. Through internet I came to the Forum Imperial Navy. It was told, that he died in September 1918 while on board of U 102. The boat is missed since then somewhere in the Nort Sea. The boat possibly sank by mine hit of the Northern Barrage. Through the years I found out with the help of friends with the same interest that he served not only on U 102. He entered the Navy October 1 , 1913. In autumn 1914 or in early 1915 he was on the famous U 9, then on UC 15 and before U 102, he served on UB 50. In the u-boat archive Cuxhaven I found one photo showing him on board of U 9. One day I bought an old crew photo via Ebay. When I had it in my hands I could recognize him and then identify the crew as that of UB 50. In november 2006 I received a mail from Michael Lowrey writing me, that the MCA had presumably found the wreck of U 102 (and U 92). So I mailed what I had of both boats (construction plans, photos as well as technical dates). The plans could be put together with the sonar photos and there was absolute conformity. The construction row was small (U99-U105) of which only U 102 was missed. Now, after diving to it, your special and really invaluable work, you can put an end to the incertainty of the wreck.
After nearly 90 years one of the last secret of the submarine warfare is short before being disclosed. I want to add that I have contact to the family of Kapitänleutnant Curt Beitzen, the commander of the boat. They are kept informed by me about proceedings of the works. One last coincidence: I found a crew photo of them, unknown until now, at Ebay. The seller came from Berlin and so I got it, also because of my story. It was taken just before the last departure at Helgoland harbour.
So, now you know my story and my special interest in this matter. I intend to come to the Orkneys, but do not know, when. But I am not a diver.
Best regards from Berlin, Matthias
Matthias - welcome to YD. All the very best of luck in your remaining section of the mission. It is great to hear your story and add the human touch to what can be a little bit easy to think of as a lump of metal.

Do you have the ability to post the photos you have of your great great uncle and the rest of the crew? I would love to see them.

Even without diving i think you will find Orkney a very interesting and magical place. There is a museum (mostly about British Navy information, granted) in Lyness that I would recommend. It is quite a thought-provoking place.

Best regards

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I have not looked that closely it has to be said, I just knew both had the twin deck guns and presumed them to be the same shape, Still I never was any good at the fit the shape through the hole game at school :teeth:
 

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I have not looked that closely it has to be said, I just knew both had the twin deck guns and presumed them to be the same shape, Still I never was any good at the fit the shape through the hole game at school :teeth:
Oh Ok :) I will get the overlays for you, it will all become clear then, easyer to show you than try to explain via messages
 
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