My skills are as a good as they need to be for the diving I do but I can just about swim to save myself. The only reason I passed my PADI DM swim test was that I was left to count the lengths myself and, ahem, lost count so had to make an estimateDo you have to be able to swim to scuba? Oops!
Isn't it? How good an instructor does it make you that you can pass a swim test? It makes fook all difference that I've seen. I've seen plenty of so called tech instructors with badges up their arms, presumably fresh from this great fitness check, that I wouldn't let teach me to eat soup without slurping. When you read some of the shite written on here by some of these gurus, it isn't particularly reassuring.Fitness isn't arbitrary.
Being able to explain things wont help too much if you are required to perform a rescue, IMO.Do you? My next course is with a guy in his sixties, I picked him based on knowledge and experience.
Today is the 70th birthday of one of our club members, most years he does more dives than anyone else in the club.
Neither would pass a swim test, both are excellent, knowledgeable and skilled divers.
When I passed my swim tests I smoked 20 a day and drank like a fish, now I drink much less and don't smoke and my diet is the best it has ever been.
I doubt I could make those times today....
Personally I would prefer an instructor who can explain things like, say, gas planning.
Its a test of fitness and stamina, simples.It's the swim test that's done without fins that I struggle with the reasoning of! Why do it?! If I was by the water and needed to rescue someone I'd be damn sure to jam a pair of fins on first! I certainly wouldn't strip to my swiming trunks to leap into UK waters... swimming in a drysuit without fins is like watching a small baby learning to swim - all flailing limbs and no movement!
Should instructors refuse to certify divers that don't meet the same levels of fitness they do?
There's nothing wrong with a CV fitness test, it's part of the annual HSE medical. Swimming up and down a pool tells you nothing about an instructor's ability other than to swim up and down a pool on that day. Suspending an instructor's status because of bad swimming technique is a joke.
Besides, when they are happy to bend the rules for particular instructors do you really think they'll play it straight on fitness? Yeah, right...
My thinking was along the IANTD skills rather than the PADI ones; which incorporate Scuba distances as well as swimming.There's nothing wrong with a CV fitness test, it's part of the annual HSE medical. Swimming up and down a pool tells you nothing about an instructor's ability other than to swim up and down a pool on that day. Suspending an instructor's status because of bad swimming technique is a joke.
That's all very well unless the big fat guy has to run 800m to get to the scene of the incident, by which time Al Queda has blown up the airport!Among the armed police at Gatwick Airport, there used to be one big, old, fat guy. I met him later on a diving trip and typical of me, I asked him what he was doing in the company of those young fit men. He pointed out that they were fit and well-trained but should the unthinkable happen, they'd need among them someone who was prepared to let off a round in the required direction. That comes only with practice and maturity. It's the same with scuba diving. When the chips ate down you need someone that has had the experience. The young fit guys can take over once the initial reactive manoeuvres have been taken care of.
I am still not convinced as to what it would achieve. Is there are a particularly big problem with unfit instructors causing a danger to the public? As a control, is it proportionate to the problem? I don't think it is. I can also see it being stupidly expensive as well. What good does it do when the HSE medical already does CV checks?My thinking was along the IANTD skills rather than the PADI ones; which incorporate Scuba distances as well as swimming.
NotDeadYet;1851155 There's nothing wrong with fitness but diving has bigger problems.[/QUOTE said:I completely agree! I do however think that the general level of fitness within the dive industry is indicative of a lot of other areas within the Industry where the bar needs to be raised a lot higher. Biannual re evaluations for instructors would go a long way towards ensuring that quality of instruction is kept to a high level. I would add to this that there are an awful lot of competent conscientious instructors out there, but IMHO there is way too much latitude between the good ones and the bad ones. Fitness tests per se would do nothing to address this, (as i say above, there needs to be a more holistic method of instructor quality control)but they would separate those instructors who are prepared to put in the hard work for their trade, versus those that can't be arsed!
Definitely lifestyle.Was it through lifestyle or genetic condition? I could have probably spotted the former very easy.